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chief, i have no greater responsibility than the security of the american people. and i'm convinced that if this framework leads to a final comprehensive deal, it will make our country, our allies, and our world safer. >> welcome to the journal editorial report, i'm paul gigot. that was president obama announcing that the united states and its partners had reached a quote historic understanding with iran, agreeing on the frame work of a deal meant to block the islamic republic from developing nuclear weapons in exchange for lifting sanctions. what's left before a june 30 deadline, joining us is dan lettinger. the president said a good deal. do you agree? >> no, i think it's a week deal.
when they began these negotiations in early 2013, the goal was to some iran from getting a nuclear weapon. >> still is the president says. >> well, halfway through they decided, and they came they saw this coming. iran was not going to dismantle its nuclear infrastructure. what we have ended up with is a country that has one year to build a nuclear weapon, so they still remain with the ability to do what they wanted to do from the beginning. this is what is known as a threshold nuclear state. and because we have a flesh hold nuclear state in iran that puts in motion all the other dynamics we've been worried about, about proliferation around the middle east among other countries. >> let's talk about some of these weaknesses. even the president concedes they've got a lot of work to do which is odd considering how really sure he was about the
broader deal. where is the biggest hole? >> the biggest hole has to do with the inspections. it is basically a tough erycette of inspections rules, but the deal does not include what you might call anytime anywhere inspections, which are the sine quay known, but the terms could have been even better at least on paper but if you can't inspect it, our experience from past episodes of inspection like north korea is that these types of regimes will cheat. and this deal provides iran with ample opportunities to cheat and to rely on the russians especially, to cover for them at the u.n. >> there is a, also iran is retaining its nuclear infrastructure in reduced form. the facilities are essentially going to remain there. i guess the one exception is the
plutonium offacility. >> it's being redone. >> it will be a research facility? >> the main thing is the lifting of sanctions. for all the pages of detail, the sanctions piece is very unclear. the iranians said in the news conference, their negotiators said we expect these sanctions to be lifted when the final agreement is signed. >> immediately upon that. >> in june. >> the obama administration has always insisted that that was not going to happen unless iran was in compliance, but once those sanctions begin to break apart and western commercial interests go in there, it's katie bar the door. >> i think he's being a little slippery there because the toughest sanctions, which are the fang, the ones at the u.n., those are the ones that will go
as the iranians suggest, immediately. >> and let's recall paul, that this is still an outline of an agreement details to be worked out, presumably by the end of june with any of these agreements you know, the proper, the devil's in the details, it really does apply. the iranian method of cheating and negotiation hasn't been to sort of flay grantly flout terms of any agreement. they have basically worked their way out of it step by step so no one particular violation is enough to trigger a major international response. and by the way, let's remember we've been here before. the iranians agreed in 2003. >> once before. >> and walked out of it a couple years later. >> this raises the question of what happens if they do cheat or are suspected of cheating. in the summary of the agreement, it looks like they're going to have to go to a process in the
united nations. >> to be specified later. >> it sounds like a united nations committee which might as welling lost in space. >> and while the world is going through these processes, the iranens will be sitting there, all be it with somewhat restricted program building forward to that bomb. >> but the president did achieve what he wanted politically, which is to get the appearance of momentum going forward, and he's probably stopped congress from being able to reimpose or strengthen sanctions between now and -- >> there's no question he's bought time with the constituency which matters to him most which is to say the 16 democrats in the senate who had signed on to what we call the kirkman endus bill. he'll be able to make the case, look, we've made enough progress that you've got to give me the benefit of the doubt. and i suspect that's going to be
the process going forward. don't expect june 30 to be the date when we get a final deal. there are a lot of internal politics, mostly in iran to take place >> only if iran walks away, i think the president is going to grab hold of zarif's leg. >> it will only be iran's fixations that will stop this from happening. and when we come back, the firestorm of indiana's religious freedom law, is it an easy win for democrats? or are republicans ready to let's do more... ...add one a day 50+. complete with key nutrients we may need. plus it supports physical energy with b vitamins. one a day 50+
businesses are not allowed to discriminate against gay and lesbian customers. a similar one passed in arkansas this week and offers a glimpse into the so-called culture war and the role it's likely to play in the 2016 elections are republicans ready for that? so dorothy, indiana and arkansas adjusted their laws this week. in arkansas they hadn't passed it yet but they adjusted what they had intended to pass. were they right to do that? >> no. in a word you know, this is one of those moments where you know what we're up against in force. we are here where ferguson and all of the rest of the corruptions of reality started. based on lie and an irrational belief in the martyrdom. if the republicans will rise and
have some foresight about how they would deal with these things they would instead about making speeches about taking back our government and government overreach and government is broken in washington, they would go to what is really broken. what is really broken is the basis of the sanity we have almost always had. we are now in a state of pathological-driven bullying, sensitivity driven by the democratic left, which has sought and will to undermine the institutions as just. >> so you are saying that this law, the law that indiana passed was not discriminatory. >> yes. that's right. >> as it was described as being. >> that is exactly right. >> in lock step, all of these brave, lowing herds. >> and if the law was not as you say, then it was as you said then why did mike pence feel, dan, why did meek pence feel the need to clarify it? >> well, because i think they
were under this tremendous pressure from businesses and the ncaa and so forth. they got carpet bombed. and the thing is, this pushed aside the legal context in which this took place. their law was a duplicate as 19 other states have done of the religious restoration act which set up a balancing act between a compelling state interest, say to bar discrimination, versus an individual who feels substantially burdened by these things, and a judge would supposedly decide these things. as to the private interests, four appellate courts decided that private interests were covered. but the federal statute only applied to federal laws. so the states felt obliged to copy these laws >> but there has never been a case where a court has upheld somebody denying services to a gay couple or a gay marriage that i have seen. i've not found any yet.
>> discrimination -- >> the critics make it sound like this is happening all over the country. we can't find one where that has happened in a court, where it's been upheld. >> you have seen the history. it doesn't matter if it's not true. it didn't matter in ferguson. it didn't matter at the scandal of the sports scandals your you're accused of racism where truth does not matter. we are in trouble. >> to your point, when you look to the individual cases there is a situation with the photographer in new mexico, served gay customers. didn't refuse to serve anyone. said i'll take portraits. that's fine. when asked to participate in a gay wedding ceremony said my religious beliefs reclud me from doing that. so this is where the lunch counter breaks down. we're not seeing people denyied service around the country. we're saying people given that it's the first freedom, the
reason this country -- >> religious freedom. >> have a right to say i don't want to participate in a ceremony that i don't believe in. will they now be forced to photograph divorce proceedings? if they don't believe in it? >> i want to read you something from richard epstein, he said this week, told the federalist website you have to believe in freedom of association both ways. if it turns out two people want to get married under the same sex let them do it. >> this is anathema. we are living in a taliban-like driven world where utter purism rules. i'm surprised they didn't take the governor of indiana and put him in the stocks which they would have. >> what does this tell you about the cultural argument we're going to have going into 2016. i would predict we're going to have one of these fights every two weeks.
democrats feel they're on the offensive. they can stigmatize republicans who are acting very defensively here. and we're going to have these fights, real or imagined, going right up to 2016. >> right. for a lot of people it's a free shot to show how enlightened they r the ncaa is thrilled to comment on a controversy they didn't create. [ laughter ] >> and ceo tim cook is probably happy to pound a, go through indiana trying to get every last person in the state to agree with him, ignoring the fact that he does business with people all around the world who have horrible human rights records. so i think that you're going to see more of this but i do think that mike pence has taken himself out of the presidential conversation. this was an opportunity for him to get into it, and he dropped it. thanks, when we come back, islamic terrorists target students for their faith, leaving scores dead in a college in kenya. it's a grim reminder this
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five masked gunmen from al shabab stormed a university in kenya, separating out christian students before shooting them and beheading them. it is believed to be the worst terror attack on kenyan soil since the bombing in 1998 and serves as a grim reminder of the fate facing christians in africa and the middle east. we're back with brad henninger. mary, horrific episode. if you couldn't recite an islamic prayer, they killed you.
>> it was really heartbreaking. the stories of the survivors are that they came in around 5:30 in the morning, they came into the dorms, threw people on the floor. they asked them if they were muslim. if they said yes they had to recite the muslim cried. there was one individual who was interviewed who did that and escaped. and he said as he was running out, he heard these bloodcurdling screams, and they just finished off anybody who didn't pass the test. ? and >> and this is becoming a pattern every easter, we see this with attacks against christian churches. boko haram seems to blow up a church on easter. it seems a time to target christians. >> radical islam wants to eliminate all infidels. but the first step is to get rid of christians, because they're the biggest barrier to their total control in these countries, and, you know
there's quite a large christian population in places like nigeria. there's a large catholic population. and obviously, we know that the coptic christians in egypt have been under assault for a very long time now, and the numbers are shrinking considerably. >> this is not a recent phenomenon. a century ago, 20% of the middle east was christian. iraq had a huge christian population, and there has been a massive exodus that predates 9/11, the war on terror, the rise of groups like al shabab. now it's really accelerated. and it's not just a phenomenon with islamist rampages of the kind that we saw but also discriminatory laws in muslim states that we consider quite moderate. in malaysia they're not allowed to use the term allah. >> it is a moderate muslim
state. >> only in the context -- >> in the context of the broader middle east. so this is a much wider -- >> you have some of the statistics to illustrate his point about how they've been purged, christians, have been purged from the middle east. >> there were well over 1 million. 700,000 have fled iraq. these are not immigrants. these people have lived there since the time of jesus co-existed there, and they're down to about 300,000. what we have to make clear here is this is not only real but these groups are targeting these groups for epgs termination. they want to eliminate them. our fight is everybody's fight, including of course, israel, which has been targeted from the beginning. >> they have done this for centuries. >> exactly. what we are going to need is coalitions as the egyptians now
and the saudis are going against the radical islamists in yemen. it's going to take armies to fight their armies. >> mary, has there been enough push back in your view, on the part of the pope pope francis or western leaders against this systematic extermination? >> well, absolutely not. and i think one of the big problems is as you've seen with our president, people don't want to draw a line that this has to do would the muslim religion. and obviously, we know that there are modern moderate muslims, many, the majority. but this is a radical muslim movement. and step one really, is to call it that and to define what that entails, as dan says, eliminating other religions that they consider infidels. and we're not hearing that language from the leadership. >> where we're getting some
>> time now for hits and misses of the week. james? >> this is a miss to the u.s. department of justice. this week they declined to prosecute lois lerner on contempt of congress charges. reasonable people can disagree on whether this particular charge could have stuck, but the lack of interest, lack of resources that the justice department has put into investigating what is really the political crime of the century, is to their eternal discredit. >> all right, mary? ?
this . >> this is a miss for the dea. as you know, the war on drugs isn't going so well. maybe this inspector general's report gives us a hint why. the dea agents were having sex parties were prostitutes in colombia and that the prostitutes were hired by the colombiaen drug lords. >> a big hit for the world's oldest person. she died at the age of 117 in japan. she said on her 117th birthday that she felt her life actually had been kind of short. and i think it's worth noting for whatever it's worth, her husband died in 1932. >> that may explain it. >> who knows. >> and remember, if you have
your own hit or miss, be sure to tweet it to us. that's it for this week's show. thanks to our panel and all of you watching, i'm paul gigot. hope to see you all next week. time now for "sun i'm arthel neville. it's time for sunday house call. >> joining us professor marc siegel. >> and dr. david samadi from lenox hill hospital. good to see you, docs. >> happy passover. >> same to you. we start with major advances in cancer research this month. a new